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You are not the only one Hinta ... there are lot of people like you. And if you have not seen it then how can you believe right ? Well then there are people who i have heard and seen saying "when such and such happened in my life then i said to myself there is a GOD/Supreme being up there" maybe your time will come one day too. Maybe when your hacks are caught by PB .. hehe JOke. One question though ... How did everything come into existence then ? any explanations with real examples ?

im not saying the koran is wrong man. a book is a book nothing to be changed about it. im saying that the interpretation has been used for the lust of power of man. who used aspects of the book the get the mass cheering behind them. this has always been the way of mankind. what i was trying with those examples was showing what a 1 stupid line in a book can do. your a man of belief, i respect that, i even admire that. it gives you a purpose in life. im just saying that this has been abused and abused over the few centuries, countless deaths, wars fought over it. my religion is philophy, and the tool is my brain.

i have one question for you, as a believer. how do you know the koran is an instrument passed down by your god? as they were passed down by djibriel (sry if this is wrong written) to mohammed? how do you know that this djibriel wasnt just some awesome writer who wrote a book?

@Duke read my post above ... Abuse of something is that particular person's fault not religions be it any. The purpose of religion Christianity,Judaism,Islam,Bhuddism was to enlighten not to destroy. Now over the time if they have been corrupted by people for their own gains is not the religion's fault. It were the PEOPLE.


Now about the question ... Koran has withstood the test of time and any challenges or question which have been raised about it. Find me a single flaw in it and then i would say that it was written by a human being not Some supreme being who is Larger and Superior then Humans and their brain.

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@Duke read my post above ... Abuse of something is that particular person's fault not religions be it any. The purpose of religion Christianity,Judaism,Islam,Bhuddism was to enlighten not to destroy. Now over the time if they have been corrupted by people for their own gains is not the religion's fault. It were the PEOPLE.

that's what im saaying... the misuse of belief by people to people

so when do you say man arise to the earth and wrote that book?

Ok now this becomes a little different. I can only defend my religion here and not any other because Holy Books were misinterpreted and altered but not Quran. People only wrote it on paper but it were not their words. Quran has no variations, no different versions and no different language. It's written in Arabic and it will be the same word to word no matter where you go and read it from. One book One language One version so it's simple and Foolproof. It was written 1400 Centuries before and is still the same and will be the same. While other religion have lost this facility and their books are no longer in same shape. As for the misuse of belief by people to people i would say that use your brain and logic and use the book as a tool. Simple.

your wrong, with the bible the original language is latin, (pope speaks latin) and priests read from the original bible
it has just been translated in the 17e ( i think) century because people couldnt read latin and by then they were able to reproduce books so they translated it to various languages, but these are all the same.

so u agree that religion has been abused over the ages?

What is the old testament and what is the new testament ? Why different version have contradictory explanations in them ? And for the religion abusing thing ... Yes by the people yes it has been and always will be unless every man and women out there makes persoanl effort to enlighten themselves.

god and superstition yay

There was a guy who walked on water and healed sick ppl with some holy spirit.. sure
and if i rape albino baby i will be cured from aids




my mom is working for church and ofcourse its good what church does here; helping poor, old, disabled, etc people

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@Falcon ... If you are talking about Darwin theory of evolution then let me tell you something. It has a lot of fundamental flaws in it and we can discuss this in a different post.

I didn't mean to talk about his theories in detail, they are just part of my argumentation of Venus Project being crap.


€dit: I'm gonna stay out of discussion about religion as far as I can because I'm an agnostic.

+ Duke: The bible has been translated by Martin Luther to make it easier to read for the normal population. ( At least for those ones who were able to.) This period was called Aufklärung.

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Falcon, my friend, first rule; Always copy to deskop, then press send button.

Question was; Where are the money for the Venus Project?
Self sustained city!!!
With good engineers, good research science, good technicians, money will not be necessary. Cause we already had invented many good useful things, but they are to expensive to afford them.
(solar panels on the house = free energy)
(Electric cars = no fossil fuels to use = clean air)

And how is that actually going to work out?
Good scientists are worth nothing without the things they need to build a car or whatever it is. Where should these things come from? You think people who don't believe in that Venus Prject thing will give them those for nothing?

Selfsustained city? But how you are going to build that up at first if you have no money or decline money?

This whole idea can't even start to take a important part in reality because you have no basis. You just can't create some state out of nothing and say" Well this now is officially the State of Venus Project".
You will not even get through to all the people on earth because you don't want to use money. But you would need a lot of money to tell everyone on earth about your ideas. Even if you told every single person on this earth what the Venus Project is, do you realy think everyone will believe in what this Prjcet wants them to live?
Why should you gave up everything that you are used to just because of some system which never have been proved to work out? Why should you gave up everything for gaining nothing but the unproved possibility that things maybe can get "better"? Why?


To make this system work you would first have to" make everyone equal". Did you ever thought about this fact:
If everyone on this planet would have access to the same standards of industrial coountries worldwide polution would cause nature's breakdown.
?
Making everyone equal is collectivism. You as an inuduvidual being will have no value because all you live for is the commonality. The Venus Project wants you to unfold your individualitiy, as they said in the interviews, but it actually KILLS your individuality.

Maybe there are some other energysources that could be used but if you ain't persuading every single person on this planet you won't be able to use this source, simply because you ain't having money or you don't want to use it.

JUST IN CASE something like Venus Project could be permuted in it's basics there is still the nature of human being itself. Mankind is a competitive species. You can take a look at the past as far as you want, it has always been about gaining something. And as far as we are mammalians this gain in life is to reproduce and to survive. Just like in Darwinism there is some sort of genetic selection. The person who can handle it's surroundings best will the one which covers the gene pool with the most of it's alleles. But because God or Evolution or whoever you think gave us the power to be what we are, the ruling species of this planet, gave us the power of mind, the power to make up our mind on our own. This will allways lead to competition, because there will always be someone thinking "oh this is some way to get some kind of advantege".
But in Venus Project there shell be no competition..? How is that going to work out?
The people of Venus Project said:" If we gain that standard there will be no reason to think like that anymore". So you actually have to reach that standard first.. But it will never reach that standard just because of the way human beings are.

2ndly there have always been some kind of leader, someone who leads the flock in some kind of way.. Take a look at the nature, gregarious animals. Guess what we have been 10.000 years ago? Yes, some kind of gregarious animal. This leader can also be God or whoever you want to look up at. Hitler was such kind of person. He gave people some sort of perspective, he gave them something to believe in, he was someone that they could look up to. Even if they have been wrong in the end of course.


So what makes you believe that the nature of mankind will change just through this Project?

Even IF it would be "a perfect solution" like you called it at the first page, you think people of today would be ready for something like that? You can't brainwash them totally because there will always be someone else who will brainwash them and make them think different.

Well from the time of adam and eve atleast we are far better .. i mean take for example BF2 and all the gaming possibilities and shitz. So i'm happy till i'm struck by lightning. Told you guys in the beginning it would be useless and boring. We all have our ways. ways to think and lot of other stuff and that what defines us. Gives us our individuality. And as for animals they can't differentiate between their sister and brothers so i'm not following them and neither want to be related to them. And predator " be the change you want to see in this world" Mahatma Gandhi ... or "fuck the fuckin fuckers" Mr.MAkD.


MAkD out

the answer to all
http://www.youtube.com/v/J-tJKP1bWFw&feature=channel 7

is just interesting

As I said, Makd, we are the leading species right because of our mind. I'm woulnd't seriously compare anyone to some sort of animal at all, but for me there is some coherence in our waaaaaaaay past. If you stay to your faith in some kind of god I'm fine with that tho.

Suum Cuique. This is latin and means something like" to each his own". This only counts for things you can't negate of course.


You are wrong Duke. This is the true answer to everything:

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your wrong, with the bible the original language is latin, (pope speaks latin) and priests read from the original bible

I guess Jesus didnt speak latin... so you get first translation. And I'm almost sure the first bible was written in Greek. So you just cant find bible in 'original' language. And if there where any translations, there are chances for misunderstunding or wrong interpretations.

Quoted from "duke of belgianforce"

bible is written by 4 apostels (12 apostels of jesus) and one wrote old testament another new. they dont write about the same shit. but like you said before don't talk about stuff you dont know

Wrong again, Old Testament describes times before Christ (from genesis), New Testament is about life of Jesus + revelation. And again, I bet that Jews in BC did not speak latin (or greek). So how can anyone believe in book that was translated hundreds times (rarely from original language, mostly from other translations)

@Reed i can assure you as a greek that the first bible was not in Greek....Christianity was a an invention of jewish people and brought to us!!!As everybody knows Greece had the 12 gods Zeus,,Poseidon,Hestia,Hera,Ares,Athena,Apollo,Aphrodite,Hermes,Artemis & Hephaestus!!!!!


@Makd i have to disagree with what you've said before (of course it is my oppinion and i fully respect and i can even say admire that you believe in anything-i dont care in what)
You've said that belief is the way to enlightment and mayby it is???For me this is what is called enslaved brains....i dont believe that there is heaven or hell....everything is here...heaven and hell not in another world or in the next life BUT HERE!!!

In where should i believe when i know that i have everything but still dailly in Africa there are 33.000 deaths of kids cause they dont have to eat food or drink clean water when the 1% of this planet (as zeitgest sais) has the 40% of the total wealth of this planet!!!!

At last somebody speak about the banks this is what Addendum is all about..with simple words this documentary shows how wrong is the global economical system and what can we do to change it!!!!


P.S.In 1928 the world stood for 8-9 years (correct me if i am wrong i just woke up ) in peace after the economical global Krah......i wanna see how much we are gonna last this time!!!!.......

Quoted from "-I.I.R.-Jester"

@Reed i can assure you as a greek that the first bible was not in Greek....Christianity was a an invention of jewish people and brought to us!!!As everybody knows Greece had the 12 gods Zeus,,Poseidon,Hestia,Hera,Ares,Athena,Apollo,Aphrodite,Hermes,Artemis & Hephaestus!!!!!


@Makd i have to disagree with what you've said before (of course it is my oppinion and i fully respect and i can even say admire that you believe in anything-i dont care in what)
You've said that belief is the way to enlightment and mayby it is???For me this is what is called enslaved brains....i dont believe that there is heaven or hell....everything is here...heaven and hell not in another world or in the next life BUT HERE!!!

In where should i believe when i know that i have everything but still dailly in Africa there are 33.000 deaths of kids cause they dont have to eat food or drink clean water when the 1% of this planet (as zeitgest sais) has the 40% of the total wealth of this planet!!!!

At last somebody speak about the banks this is what Addendum is all about..with simple words this documentary shows how wrong is the global economical system and what can we do to change it!!!!


P.S.In 1928 the world stood for 8-9 years (correct me if i am wrong i just woke up ) in peace after the economical global Krah......i wanna see how much we are gonna last this time!!!!.......

First thing what I laughed alot about.. You said there are 12 gods but only mentioned 11.

Second: In reference to the Zeitgeist movie you seem to be the same braindead like Predator, congratz.


Zeitgeist isn't about the abusive banksystem but about the (dumb) solutitions that this movie offers. How you come to the conclusion it would be about the bank system? The other chapters aren't even related to that point.


"this documentary shows how wrong is the global economical system and what can we do to change it!!!!"

Brainwashed

common falcon dont insult them for having other believes, you can try and persuade them, we all live in other parts of the world and you must realise that we all have other believes backgrounds, etnical en cultural differences.

Quoted from "-I.I.R.-Jester"

@Reed i can assure you as a greek that the first bible was not in Greek....Christianity was a an invention of jewish people and brought to us!!!As everybody knows Greece had the 12 gods Zeus,,Poseidon,Hestia,Hera,Ares,Athena,Apollo,Aphrodite,Hermes,Artemis & Hephaestus!!!!!

From wiki:

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The books of the New Testament were written in Koine Greek, the language of the earliest extant manuscripts, even though some authors often included translations from Hebrew and Aramaic texts. Certainly the Pauline Epistles were written in Greek for Greek-speaking audiences.

Are you sure about those 12 gods ? I remember Hades, Helios... couldnt recall more atm

@Falcon indeed you are right they were 12 gods and the last i forgot was atlantas which in mythology was holding with his hands the sky (i'm sorry human mistake that i forgot him)

As about the rest that you are saying like Duke said before i will just disagree with you!!!!...